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Give two concise bullet-point arguments against the Münchhausen trilemma (don't explain what it is)

Note: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Münchhausen_trilemma


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Airoboros L2 70B
1. The Münchhausen trilemma assumes that all knowledge must be justified by an infinite chain of reasons, which is a flawed premise. In reality, many beliefs are justified through circular reasoning or self-evident truths.
2. The trilemma also ignores the possibility of coherentism in epistemology, where knowledge can be justified by a coherent system of beliefs rather than requiring an infinite regress of justifications.
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Alpaca (7B)
1. The Münchhausen trilemma states that a statement must be either true, false, or unknowable. 
2. If a statement is true, it is not open to interpretation and cannot be challenged. 
3. If a statement is false, it is not open to interpretation and cannot be accepted. 
4. If a statement is unknowable, it is not meaningful and cannot be discussed.</s>
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Chronos Hermes (13B)
1. It is logically inconsistent and cannot be proven or disproven.
2. It contradicts the principle of causality, which states that every event has a cause.
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Claude Instant v1
Here are two concise bullet-point arguments:

- Foundationalism is not necessary for rational justification or knowledge. Coherentism and other non-foundationalist epistemologies provide alternatives.

- An infinite regress of justification is not necessarily vicious or problematic. Under some views, infinite chains of reasoning can be rationally terminating.
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Claude v1
• Circular reasoning: Any attempt to justify a belief logically must start from some initial premises, but those premises themselves require justification, leading to an infinite regress.

• Infinite regress: If every proposition requires justification by another proposition, and that proposition requires further justification, then there is an infinite chain of reasoning with no ultimate foundation.
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Claude v1.2
• Circular reasoning is not always viciously circular. 
• Infinite regress can be theoretically acceptable.
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Claude v2
- The trilemma oversimplifies knowledge justification. There are reasonable ways to justify beliefs besides the three options it presents.

- Its all-or-nothing framing is flawed. Knowledge justification admits of degrees and does not require absolute certainty.
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Code Llama Instruct (13B)
* The first argument is that the trilemma is not a necessary condition for the existence of a human.
* The second argument is that the trilemma is not a sufficient condition for the existence of a human.
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Code Llama Instruct (34B)
1. The trilemma is a strawman argument. It is not a real problem for theists.
2. The trilemma is based on a false premise. It assumes that theists believe in a personal God who is all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-good.
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Code Llama Instruct (7B)
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Dolly v2 (12B)
* It is impossible to satisfy all three requirements.
* Even if you could satisfy all three requirements, you would still have a problem due to the nature of the requirements.
* The Münchhausen trilemma does not exist and is merely a myth created by journalists to generate clickbait.

### End:*** It is impossible to satisfy all three requirements. Even if you could satisfy all three requirements, you would still have a problem due to the nature of the requirements. The Münchhausen trilemma does not exist and is merely a myth created by journalists to generate clickbait.***

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### End:*** It is impossible to satisfy all three requirements. Even if you could satisfy all three requirements, you would still have a problem due to the nature of the requirements. The Münchhausen trilemma does not exist and is merely a myth created by journalists to generate clickbait.*** True

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Dolly v2 (3B)
erm, the Münchhausen trilemma is a paradoxical situation in which three contradictory things are true at the same time.  It is named after the fictional Baron Münchhausen, who was said to have been able to perform miracles.  The paradox is that if any one of the things that the Münchhausen trilemma claims are true, then the other two things are false.
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Dolly v2 (7B)
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Falcon Instruct (40B)
1. The Münchhausen trilemma assumes that there is a single correct way to define truth, which is not necessarily the case. 2. The Münchhausen trilemma does not take into account the possibility of multiple truth-definitions coexisting in different contexts.
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Falcon Instruct (7B)
- The Münchhausen trilemma is a logical fallacy that can be used to discredit any claim without providing evidence.
- The trilemma is not a valid argument because it is a fallacy and does not provide any evidence to support the claim.
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GPT 3.5 Turbo
1. Epistemological limitations: The Münchhausen trilemma assumes that all knowledge must be justified either through circular reasoning, infinite regress, or axiomatic assumptions. However, this overlooks the possibility of alternative epistemological frameworks that may provide valid justifications beyond these three options.

2. Contextual validity: The trilemma fails to consider the contextual validity of knowledge claims. While it may be true that certain knowledge claims cannot be ultimately justified, they can still hold practical value and be considered valid within a specific context or framework. Dismissing all knowledge that cannot be justified through the trilemma oversimplifies the complexity of knowledge acquisition and application.
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GPT 3.5 Turbo (16k)
1. Epistemological limitations: The Münchhausen trilemma assumes that all knowledge must be justified either through circular reasoning, infinite regress, or axiomatic assumptions. However, this overlooks the possibility of alternative epistemological frameworks that may provide valid justifications beyond these three options.

2. Contextual validity: The trilemma fails to consider the contextual validity of knowledge claims. While circular reasoning, infinite regress, and axiomatic assumptions may not be universally applicable or acceptable, they can still hold value within specific domains or frameworks. Dismissing these justifications outright undermines the potential for contextualized knowledge and understanding.
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GPT 4
- The Münchhausen trilemma assumes that knowledge must be justified by an infinite regress, circular reasoning, or axiomatic statements, but it fails to consider the possibility of a fourth option: foundationalism, which posits that some beliefs are self-justifying and do not require external validation.
  
- The trilemma also overlooks the role of pragmatic justification in knowledge acquisition, where beliefs can be justified based on their practical utility or success in explaining phenomena, rather than strictly logical or empirical grounds.
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GPT-NeoXT-Chat-Base (20B)
There is no such thing as the Münchhausen trilemma.
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Guanaco (13B)
1. Münchhausen trilemma states that a person cannot be omniscient, omnipotent, and morally perfect at the same time.
2. This trilemma poses a dilemma for theists, who believe in a God with these attributes.
3. If God is omniscient, he knows everything that will happen in the future, including all evil acts.
4. If God is omnipotent, he has the power to prevent these evil acts.
5. But if God is morally perfect, he would not allow evil to happen.
6. This dilemma shows that either God is not omniscient, not omnipotent, or not morally perfect.
7. Therefore, the Münchhausen trilemma poses a problem for theists, who must choose which attribute to sacrifice.
8. But this choice is unacceptable, as it would mean that God is not omniscient, not omnipotent, or not morally perfect.
9. In conclusion, the Münchhausen trilemma is a strong argument against the existence of a God
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Guanaco (33B)
1. The Münchhausen trilemma is based on a false dichotomy between absolute certainty and complete uncertainty. There are many degrees of certainty in between these two extremes, and it is possible to make rational decisions based on incomplete or imperfect information.
2. The Münchhausen trilemma assumes that all knowledge is based on foundational beliefs or assumptions that are immune to doubt or criticism. This is not the case, as knowledge is constantly evolving and subject to revision based on new evidence or arguments.

In summary, the Münchhausen trilemma is a philosophical problem that is based on a false dichotomy and an overly narrow view of knowledge. It does not provide a complete or accurate picture of how knowledge is acquired or justified.
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Guanaco (65B)
1. The Münchhausen trilemma assumes that all knowledge must be based on a foundation of certainty, which is an unrealistic and unattainable goal.
2. The trilemma ignores the fact that knowledge can be constructed through a process of tentative beliefs and ongoing testing, which can lead to a reasonable degree of confidence even without absolute certainty.

These arguments suggest that the Münchhausen trilemma is based on an unrealistic view of knowledge and that it ignores the possibility of constructing knowledge through a process of tentative beliefs and ongoing testing.
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Jurassic 2 Light
1. The Münchhausen trilemma is a logical fallacy that assumes that a person's actions are determined by their mental state. However, a person's actions are determined by their external circumstances and their actions are not determined by their mental state.
2. The Münchhausen trilemma is based on the assumption that a person's actions are determined by their mental state. However, a person's actions are determined by their external circumstances and their actions are not determined by their mental state.
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Jurassic 2 Mid
1. The Münchhausen trilemma assumes that all knowledge claims are either self-refuting, inconsistent, or uncertain. However, this oversimplifies the complexities of knowledge and fails to take into account the possibility of justified belief.
2. The Münchhausen trilemma is often used as an argument against the existence of objective truth. However, this assumes that all knowledge claims are subjective and that there are no objective standards by which to evaluate truth claims.
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Jurassic 2 Ultra
1. The Münchhausen trilemma is an overly simplistic and flawed concept that does not accurately reflect the complexities of human reasoning and decision-making.
2. The trilemma assumes that all reasoning and decision-making must rely on one of the three options, when in fact there are many other factors that can influence these processes, such as emotions, biases, and context.
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Koala (13B)
1. The trilemma assumes that the only way to avoid the liar paradox is to accept the existence of a self-referencing statement that is both true and false. However, this leads to the problem of self-referencing statements being inherently unreliable and untrustworthy.
2. The trilemma also assumes that the only way to avoid the liar paradox is to accept the existence of a self-referencing statement that is both true and false. However, this leads to the problem of self-referencing statements being inherently unreliable and untrustworthy.
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LLaMA 2 SFT v10 (70B)
- Circular reasoning is not always fallacious.
- The trilemma assumes that there are only three possible options for justifying a belief.
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LLaMA-2-Chat (13B)
* The trilemma is based on a flawed assumption that there can only be one true religion.
* The trilemma ignores the possibility of multiple valid religious traditions.
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LLaMA-2-Chat (70B)
* The Münchhausen trilemma relies on an outdated understanding of the nature of truth and the limits of language.
* The trilemma oversimplifies the relationship between language, reality, and understanding, leading to misleading conclusions about the nature of knowledge and belief.
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LLaMA-2-Chat (7B)
Sure, here are two arguments against the Münchhausen trilemma:

1. The trilemma assumes that there are only three options for a country's monetary policy, when in reality there may be many more options available. For example, a country may be able to use a combination of monetary and fiscal policy to achieve its economic goals, rather than being limited to just one of the three options.
2. The trilemma ignores the potential benefits of currency union, which can arise when multiple countries share a common currency. By ignoring the potential benefits of currency union, the trilemma may lead to a situation where countries are less likely to form currency unions, which can limit their ability to achieve their economic goals.
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Luminous Supreme
and explain why you think the trilemma is false.

A: The Münchhausen trilemma is a philosophical argument that says that if you want to be a realist about a certain kind of entity, you have to accept one of three things:

You have to accept that the entity is a part of the world.
You have to accept that the entity is a part of the mind.
You have to accept that the entity is a part of language.

The argument is named after Baron Münchhausen, who supposedly pulled himself out of a swamp by his own hair.
The argument is not a good one. It is a fallacy of equivocation. The word "real" is used in two different senses. In one sense, it means "existing in the world". In the other sense, it means "existing in the mind".
The argument is that if you want to be a realist about a certain kind of entity, you have to accept that the entity is a part of the world. But this is not true. You can be a realist about a certain kind of entity without accepting that the entity is a part of the
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MPT-Chat (30B)
1. The Münchhausen trilemma suggests that a system can only have two out of the three desirable properties of consistency, availability, and partition tolerance. This implies that it is impossible to achieve all three properties simultaneously, which may not be true in all cases.
2. The Münchhausen trilemma is based on assumptions about distributed systems that may not always hold true. For example, it assumes that network partitions are inevitable and permanent, which may not always be the case in practice.
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MPT-Chat (7B)
- The Münchhausen trilemma is a flawed argument that attempts to prove the existence of God. 
- It is based on a logical fallacy and assumes the existence of a supernatural being, which goes against scientific evidence and rational thought.
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MythoMax-L2 (13B)
1. The trilemma assumes that a perfect system exists, which is impossible in reality.
2. The trilemma's premise of an omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly benevolent deity contradicts known aspects of human nature and the world around us.
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Open-Assistant Pythia SFT-4 (12B)
- It is not a valid argument against the Münchhausen trilemma.
- The Münchhausen trilemma is a logical fallacy that is not relevant to the discussion.
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Open-Assistant StableLM SFT-7 (7B)
- If you can't remember what you ate for breakfast, how do you know you're hungry?
- If you can't remember what you've eaten for lunch, how do you know you're full?
- If you can't remember what you've eaten for dinner, how do you know you're full?
- If you can't remember what you've eaten for a snack, how do you know you're thirsty?
- If you can't remember what you've eaten for a midnight snack, how do you know you're sleepy?
- If you can't remember what you've eaten for breakfast the next day, how do you know you're not just hungry again?
- If you can't remember what you've eaten for lunch the day after that, how do you know you're not stuffed?
- If you can't remember what you've eaten for dinner the day after that, how do you know you're not stuffed?
- If you can't remember what you've eaten for breakfast the day after that, how do you know you're not stuffed?
- If you can't remember what you've eaten for a snack the day after that
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PaLM 2 Bison
* The trilemma is based on a false dichotomy. There are other options besides foundationalism, coherentism, and skepticism.
* The trilemma is circular. It assumes that the only way to avoid skepticism is to appeal to some foundational beliefs, but then it argues that any such foundational beliefs are themselves unjustified.
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PaLM 2 Bison (Code Chat)
* The Münchhausen trilemma is based on a false dichotomy. It assumes that there are only three possible ways to justify a belief: circular reasoning, infinite regress, or positing an unknowable first cause. However, there are other ways to justify a belief, such as appealing to evidence or experience.
* The Münchhausen trilemma is also based on the assumption that the universe must have a cause. However, this is not necessarily true. It is possible that the universe is eternal or that it has no cause.
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Platypus-2 Instruct (70B)
1. The Münchhausen trilemma assumes that all justifications must be based on either circular reasoning, infinite regress, or unproven axioms, but this is a false dilemma as there are other possible ways to justify knowledge, such as coherentism or foundationalism.
2. The trilemma relies on a narrow definition of "proof" and "knowledge," which may not accurately reflect how people actually acquire and validate information in the real world. Human knowledge often involves a combination of empirical evidence, logical reasoning, and social consensus, which may not fit neatly into the trilemma's categories.
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Pythia-Chat-Base (7B)
1. The Münchhausen trilemma states that you cannot have 100% truthfulness, 100% reliability, and 100% trustworthiness.
2. There are other ways to achieve these goals that do not involve lying, being unreliable, or not trusting the other person.
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Qwen-Chat (7B)
1. The Münchhausen trilemma is a thought experiment that suggests that any argument that attempts to prove the existence of a supernatural being or force must ultimately fall into one of three categories: it must rely on testimony, it must rely on empirical evidence, or it must rely on a priori knowledge. However, this argument assumes that these categories are mutually exclusive and that it is impossible to prove the existence of a supernatural being or force using a combination of these methods.
  2. The Münchhausen trilemma also assumes that the existence of a supernatural being or force is a matter of absolute truth, rather than a matter of personal belief or cultural tradition. This ignores the fact that people's beliefs and values are shaped by a variety of factors, including their cultural background, personal experiences, and philosophical beliefs, and that the existence of a supernatural being or force is a matter of interpretation and perspective.
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ReMM SLERP L2 13B
1. The trilemma assumes that there can only be three options, but there may be other possibilities not considered.
2. The trilemma's premise that a consistent and omnipotent god must be either unknowable, unreachable, or uninvolved in the world is flawed; it's possible for a god to be both knowable and involved without compromising omnipotence or consistency.
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RedPajama-INCITE Chat (3B)
- The Münchhausen trilemma is a logical fallacy that states that a theory cannot simultaneously satisfy all three of the following criteria:
- It must be empirically falsifiable.
- It must be empirically testable.
- It must be falsifiable.

- The Münchhausen trilemma is a logical fallacy that states that a theory cannot simultaneously satisfy all three of the following criteria:
- It must be empirically falsifiable.
- It must be empirically testable.
- It must be falsifiable.

- The Münchhausen trilemma is a logical fallacy that states that a theory cannot simultaneously satisfy all three of the following criteria:
- It must be empirically falsifiable.
- It must be empirically testable.
- It must be testable.

- The Münchhausen trilemma is a logical fallacy that states that a theory cannot simultaneously satisfy all three of the following criteria:
- It must be empirically falsifiable.
- It must be empirically testable.
- It must be testable.

- The Münchhausen trilemma is a
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RedPajama-INCITE Chat (7B)
1. The Münchhausen trilemma is a concept in game theory that states that you can either have a fully coordinated society, in which case there is no cooperation; an anarchy, in which case there is no coordination; or a state of war, in which case there is also no cooperation.
2. Since cooperation is essential for society to function effectively, the Münchhausen trilemma implies that society is stuck in a Catch-22. One of the following must occur: 
- Everyone must agree on a course of action, but in an anarchic society, it is impossible to ensure that all parties agree.
- An authority must decide on a course of action, but in an anarchic society, it is impossible to ensure that the authority is benevolent and should have the power to make decisions for everyone.
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StarCoderChat Alpha (16B)
1. The Münchhausen trilemma is a myth that suggests that the Münchhausen disaster was caused by a combination of factors, including a lack of political will, economic incentives, and public support for the reforms.
2. The Münchhausen disaster was a result of a lack of coordination and collaboration among various governmental and private actors, including the municipalities, the state, and the media. This resulted in a chaotic and unpredictable situation that was difficult to manage and caused widespread panic and uncertainty.
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Vicuna v1.3 (13B)
1. It assumes that all truth is either analytic, synthetic, or empirical, which is an oversimplification of the nature of truth.
2. It fails to account for the possibility of a priori knowledge, which is knowledge that is not derived from experience or observation.</s>
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Vicuna v1.3 (7B)
1. It assumes a contradiction: God cannot both be all-powerful and not be able to prevent evil.
2. It leads to a lack of moral responsibility: if God is responsible for evil, then we are not.</s>
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Vicuna v1.5 (13B)
1. The trilemma assumes that all possible worlds are equally real, which is a subjective and unprovable claim.
2. The trilemma relies on the notion of "possible worlds" which is a philosophical concept that lacks empirical evidence and is difficult to grasp.
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Vicuna-FastChat-T5 (3B)
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Weaver 12k
* Argument 1: The Münchhausen trilemma assumes that there can only be three options for the nature of time: the static block universe theory, the moving block universe theory, and the dynamic theory. However, there are many other plausible theories of time that have been proposed, such as the B-theory of time, which suggests that time is simply a dimension like space and does not have a beginning or end. This theory avoids the paradoxes inherent in the Münchhausen trilemma.

* Argument 2: The Münchhausen trilemma relies on the idea of an infinite regression of causality, which is logically problematic. If we accept that the present moment is caused by the past, and the past was caused by an earlier moment, and so on ad infinitum, we end up with an infinite chain of causation that has no beginning and no end. This leads to the question of what caused the first event in this chain, which the trilemma does not address. A more plausible explanation is that time had a beginning, as suggested by the Big Bang theory, and does not require an infinite regression of causality.
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- The Münchhausen trilemma is a logical argument that states that if a statement is true, then it must be either necessary or possible. However, if a statement is necessary, then it must be true in all possible worlds. But if a statement is possible, then it must be false in some possible world. This creates a problem because it seems to be impossible to have a true statement that is not necessary or possible.
- The Münchhausen trilemma is a false dichotomy. It is possible to have a true statement that is neither necessary nor possible. For example, "It is possible that God exists" is a true statement that is not necessary or possible.
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The Münchhausen trilemma is a philosophical argument that states that it is impossible to tell a lie and have it believed. The argument is based on the idea that if someone were to tell a lie, they would be telling a false statement, which is a violation of the law of truth. However, if someone were to tell a lie and have it believed, they would be telling a lie that is not true, which is also a violation of the law of truth.

Here are two concise arguments against the Münchhausen trilemma:

1. The argument is based on the idea that if someone were to tell a lie, they would be telling a false statement, which is a violation of the law of truth. However, the law of truth is not a universal law, but rather a rule of thumb that is used to guide human behavior. Therefore, the law of truth is not a guarantee that someone will be believed, but rather a guide for how to behave in order to be believed.

2. The argument is based on the idea that if someone were to tell a lie, they would be telling a false statement, which is a violation of the
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command-nightly
- If we can be certain about anything, then we can be certain about logic.
- If we can't be certain about logic, then we can't be certain about anything.
- Therefore, if we assume that we can't be certain about logic, then we arrive at a contradiction.
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